Levesque fundraiser Thursday

RI Future notes that State Senator Chuck Levesque is having a fundraiser this Thursday, 9/18 from 6:00-8:00pm at Leo's Restorante in Bristol. (365 Hope Street, map) Matt Jerzyk sez it right:

Please come out and support Sen. Levesque. He is a proud supporter of universal health care, criminal justice reform, and civil rights and he is always a voice that we can count on to stand up for justice and what is right.
— Via RI Future

Well said.

Comments

How can one stand for Criminal Justice when he wants all the criminals to have the same rights as non criminals? Like his position on allowing ILLEGAL Immigrants to get Driver's Licenses?

Hi, interested observer...
Thanks for your comment. Personally, I would feel safer on the roads knowing that everyone driving near me or my family has a license, and has had to meet the requirements that I have. I believe the interest of the government in protecting all citizens should be the most significant factor here.

And I do want to point out that Senator Levesque has never, to my knowledge, supported giving all criminals the same rights as non-criminals. Your argument from a specific case — even if accepted, which I do not — does not warrant the larger claim you advance.

Best,
-j

John, John, John. *tsk tsk* When will you ever learn?

Argument from a "specific case ... does not warrant the larger claim?" Since when do the fundamentals of logic and reasoning have anything to do with campaign season?

Nobody cares about "facts" anymore. We have a republican presidential campaign that wants us to talk more about lipstick, pigs and fake outrage than to talk about the economy crumbling around us or the war.

So shut up already! Throw away the newspapers, sit down and listen to right wing talk/entertainment, and be the obedient voter-who-hates-government that you are supposed to be.

Don't you know? Overgeneralizations get people elected.

You know just because you yell louder does not make you right. The "facts" are that Chuck fought hard to defeat the e-verify bill, wants civil liberties for illegals and they are criminals being that they got into the country illegally. You can try and slice it anyway you want but the truth is they are criminals and Chuck is supporting illegal activity.

PS: When was the last time he brought anyting of use back to Porsmouth, like equal funding for our schools????

John,

Once again you avoid the main point and provide no real facts support for your own. ILLEGAL immigrants are not citizens. When will you Dem's get that. They are here ILLEGALLY. I was once under the impression that you could be an impartial journalist but I guess I was mistaken.....oh that's right bloggers don't have to state the facts just OPINIONS.

Hi, interested observer...
Well played, sir or madam. It is a beautiful rhetorical move to attack the opponent's arguments for the weaknesses in your own. You are the one who had a "main point" which I demonstrated was unsupported, and yet you criticize me for avoiding it. I did not. I showed that your main point was not justified based on your evidence. If you want to assert that Levesque "wants all the criminals to have the same rights as non criminals," then YOU need to provide some facts to support it.

I have no problem agreeing that undocumented immigrants are not, in fact, citizens. But I would suggest that the way we discuss their status — the words we use — matters. By calling someone an "illegal X" we jump from describing a person who may have on an occasion committed some infraction to fusing the notion of lawbreaking with their identity. Should all people who have broken a law be denied drivers licenses? Have you ever driven faster than the speed limit? Are you an "illegal driver" who should have all governmental protections stripped from you?

Can you rebut my argument that the State has an overwhelming interest in protecting all the people who use our roads, and that requiring drivers to go through licensing would ensure minimal competence and enhance safety?

No? I thought not. Instead, you choose to attack my "impartiality," which is a straw person. I have never said I was impartial. If the big honking ad banners for Democratic candidates up there in the top right column didn't tip you off, you certainly can't read this blog for very long without encountering my editorial stance.

But I do object to your attempt to equate being impartial with owning the high ground on the facts. There are two answers to that, one practical, and one philosophical. Practically, this is a local blog about Portsmouth, and I am willing to match my record on reporting "facts" against any other source. I go to the meetings — and if you do too, as I assume you must as an interested observer — you can judge my accuracy for yourself. I am always open to correction if I get things wrong. And when I'm blogging about things where I have no direct experience, I try to provide sufficient citations and links to allow readers to check things out on their own.

Because, on a philosophical note, I don't believe that there are any "facts" that come magically free from all observer bias. Politicians have agendas. Scientists have hypotheses. Journalists make choices in what they write about, what agenda item should be the lede from that Council meeting, who should they approach for a balancing quote. And that is not a bad thing, rather, it is unavoidable since the bare "facts" of the world only have significance because of their implications for people. Reporting that RI DOT has posted a weight limit of 10 tons for the Escape Bridge is a fact. Where a journalist chooses to go from there will always, necessarily, take some perspective or point of view about what the "story" is. But that doesn't make it an opinion. That's what makes the difference between journalism and a security camera.

Indeed, one of the central discoveries of the New Journalism, almost 40 years ago, was that to penetrate to the essence of a story, to get to what the "facts" really are, it was necessary to discard the illusory goal of fake objectivity. When you hear newscasters cue up a 20-second clip that purports to convey what happened at a public meeting, do you really imagine that could be more "objective" than a written story that tries to set the scene, illuminate the characters, and provide the actual dialog? You may disagree with my perspective, you may argue that my interpretations are incorrect, or that I suck as a writer, but I reject your characterization of my work as "just opinions." Even if you put it in ALL CAPS.

Cheers.
-j

The more you know: Check out General Semantics, and George Lakoff's work on framing.

OK -- both you guys have a point.

John, you are right that Interested Observer said as his main point that, "he [Levesque] wants all the criminals to have the same rights as non criminals" and as such this point is too broad and therefore absurd and unsupported.

Interested Observer, you are right that there are folks who have have entered this country illegally and it is a problem.

So maybe we can drop the junk about charges of impartiality and snarking about ALL CAPS comments and talk about illegal immigrants.

First, my take on the use of words, regarding "illegal immigrants", I am a proud Democrat and I am as liberal as they come, yet I have no problem using the phrase illegal immigrants. To me, "undocumented" doesn't convey the severity of the infraction. Someone convicted of theft, for example, isn't an "undocumented owner".

BUT (notice the all caps), and this is a crucial point, an immigrant not yet CONVICTED of violating our immigration laws has rights! Period. The Constitution of the United States of America, in the Sixth Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, states, "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

It doesn't say "citizens" shall have those rights. It says "the accused" shall have those rights. The framers used the word "citizen" in other places in the Constitution but recognized that here, in this expression of rights, ALL are entitled to these particular rights. Why? To keep the government from grabbing you off the street, declaring you guilty of XYZ, and throwing you in jail or deporting you or executing you. Big huge news flash folks, sometimes our government makes mistakes and grabs the wrong person.

What if the government thinks you broke immigration laws, but you can prove otherwise? Aren't we all in this great country presumed innocent until the government proves us guilty?

So let's tone down the rhetoric, understand that those who break our immigration laws must be held accountable to that, but also understand that anyone accused of breaking those laws is entitled to American Civil Liberties.

I don't think anyone is safe if we give to the government the unchallenged power to grab who they wish off the street, declare them illegal, deprive them of due judicial process and throw them out of the country or jail them.

That's not a democracy, that's a dictatorship. No thank you.